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Kuntent
Re :   Il-Festi Taht Attakk

Ara veru dan il-forum mejjet!

Mela l-Knisja toħroġ dokument dwar kif trid tiddetta fil-festi u kullħadd hawnhekk immuta!

Għandkom kuraġġ ukoll!! Jewwilla, għamlilkom sarima il-Monsinjur Gouder?

Intom taqblu jew le mad-dokument ta' Monsinjur Gouder (hu l-perċimes is-soltu)? Jien ngħid għalija

LE U LE!!

Għada hemm Xarabank, ta' min jarah u wara nitkellmu hawnhekk.


 



11/04/2009 04:40 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

A Tridentine Mass was celebrated on 15th October. Another Tridentine Mass was held by another priest who is very close to our movement a couple of weeks ago. More Tridentine Masses are expected in the coming weeks.

Deo Gratias!


11/03/2009 10:02 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

AVVIŻ IMPORTANTI

L-ewwel Quddiesa bir-Rit Tridentin għal dan ix-xahar ser issir nhar il-Ħamis 14 ta' Ottubru fl-4:00pm. Għal aktar dettalji e-mail: godwin_xuereb@yahoo.com
 



10/13/2009 06:34 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

F'Ottubru hemm ippjanati żewġ quddisiet bir-Rit Tridentin f'Malta. Min hu interessat, jikkuntattjani fuq e-mail godwin_xuereb@yahoo.com jew iħalli messaġġ fuq dan il-Forum.

Godwin


09/25/2009 00:11 AM


Kuntent
Re :   Ibbuwjar fil-Hamrun Festa 2008

Polemiċi bla bżonn
minn Jose' Herrera

http://www.l-orizzont.com/news.asp?newsitemid=56343
Apprezzajt ħafna d-diskors li għamel l-eks-President ta’ Malta Guido de Marco fil-każin ta’ San Gejtanu, il-Ħamrun fl-okkazjoni tal-festa. F’erba’ kelmiet imqanqlin, spjega l-veru sinifikat tal-festa. Il-kelliem dehrlu li kellu jispjega li l-festi tagħna għandu jkollhom żewġ aspetti.

L-aspett reliġjuż tal-festa tal-lokal, għandu jiġi rispettat u jingħata prominenza. Wara kollox, dawn iċ-ċelebrazzjonijiet huma fl-essenza tagħhom, ta’ natura reliġjuża u jsiru taħt il-kappa tal-Knisja Kattolika f’pajjiżna b’turija ta’ reverenza lejn qaddis partikolari. Spjega għalhekk, li jekk jitneħħa l-aspett u s-sinifikat reliġjuż mill-festa, din tispiċċa bla sustanza u bla skop. Kien f’dan l-ispirtu li huwa ħeġġeġ liċ-ċittadini tal-lokal li ma jabbandunawx iċ-ċerimonji spiritwali, dawk li aħna nirreferu għalihom bħala l-festa ta’ ġewwa.

Filfatt, sfortunatament, mal-milja tas-snin, l-enfasi dejjem aktar qiegħda tkun fuq il-festa ta’ barra u n-nies li jattendu għall-funzjonijiet tal-Knisja qegħdin dejjem jonqsu. L-eks-President, għalhekk sab l-okkazjoni biex iħeġġeġ lill-miġemgħa tagħraf iżżomm bilanċ.

Fl-istess nifs però, il-kelliem ma żammx lura milli jafferma l-importanza u l-bżonn ukoll li jkun hemm il-festa ta’ barra bil-marċi u l-briju kollu. Din hija drawwa folkloristika Maltija li ġġib il-ferħ u li għalhekk għandha tippersisti.

F’dan ir-rigward jidher li ċerti awtoritajiet ekleżjastiċi qegħdin iqajmu polemika fuq polemika li m’għandux ikun hemm. Qiegħed jingħad, u din qed tikkrea vervent sħiħ, li jista’ jkun li fl-istagun li jmiss, il-marċi ta’ filgħodu ma jibqgħux isiru, u dan biex ma jfixklux l-attivitajiet ekleżjastiċi u spiritwali. Jien ma naqbilx, u anzi naqbel ma’ dak li qal Guido de Marco, li għandna nagħrfu inżommu l-bilanċ. Ninnota b’sodisfazzjon li għalmenu fid-distrett tiegħi, li fil-festi ewlenin bħal dawk ta’ San Duminku u San Gejtanu, irrenjat il-prudenza u ma kien hemm ebda diżgwid ta’ xejn. Id-diriġenti tal-festa tal-attivitajiet ta’ barra qagħdu attenti li ma jgerfxux attivitajiet tal-Knisja.

Filfatt, il-kumitati tal-baned, b’maturità kbira, waslu f’arranġament mal-Kappillani rispettivi biex il-marċ ta’ filgħodu ma jibdiex sakemm ma jispiċċax il-pontifikal.

Min-naħa l-oħra, l-awtoritajiet tal-Knisja qagħdu attenti li jillimitaw il-ħin tal-paniġierku u tal-funzjoni biex dawn ma jittardjawx iżżejjed il-bidu tal-marċ. Minħabba dan l-arranġament ma nqala’ l-ebda diżgwid, u kollox mexa ħarir.

Minħabba dan għalhekk ma nistax nifhem kif qed jerġgħu jitqajjmu l-intoppi li qiegħed insemmi. Naħseb li ma jkunx pass għaqli għall-awtoritajiet ekkelżjastiċi jekk dawn jieħdu pożizzjoni riġida żżejjed f’dawn iż-żminijiet. Anzi ngħid li jkun żball kbir jekk l-Arċisqof tagħna jimponi fuq l-awtoritajiet ċivili biex ma jippermettux il-marċi ta’ filgħodu. Jekk tittieħed pożizzjoni simili se tinħoloq tensjoni nutli fil-parroċċa u l-effett jista’ jkun l-oppost ta’ dak mixtieq.

L-ewwelnett għandu jiġi enfasizzat li għad li hu minnu li l-festi tagħna huma fid-dehra tagħhom reliġjużi, u marbuta mal-qaddis tar-raħal, m’għandniex ninsew li f’pajjiż lajk bħalma hu tagħna għandu jkun hemm separazzjoni ċara bejn l-istat u l-Knisja. Minħabba f’dan kif il-Gvern m’għandu jkollu l-ebda jedd li jindaħal fi kwistjonijiet ta’ natura purament reliġjuża, l-istess il-Knisja għandha tagħraf li ma tindaħalx fi kwistjonijiet għaż-żamma tal-bon ordni li huma l-prerogattiva tal-istat.

Indubbjament, il-parteċipazzjoni jew le fil-funzjonijiet reliġjużi, hija ħaġa volontarja. Huwa ideali, kif tenna jgħid il-Professur Guido de Marco, li f’pajjiż Kattoliku bħalma hu tagħna, li n-nies tipparteċipa bi ħġarha. Ġeneralment filfatt hekk naraw li jiġri fejn in-nies, l-ewwel jattendu kemm għall-funzjonijiet reliġjużi kif ukoll għad-divertiment u l-briju ta’ barra. Din il-parteċipazzjoni però, bl-ebda mod ma tista’ tiġi sfurzata fuq in-nies.

Ikolli ngħid li jekk jitneħħew il-marci ta’ filgħodu, bl-ebda mod mhu se jfisser li b’daqshekk, in-nies se tattendi bi ħġarha fil-knejjes. Nazzarda ngħid li nemmen li jekk tittieħed din il-pożizzjoni, iċ-ċittadini jeħduha bħala nsult għall-libertà tagħhom, jieħdu għalihom u bħala protesta lanqas ma jattendu, u għalhekk il-miżura tkun tabilħaqq waħda kontro produċenti.

Fl-isfond ta’ dan il-ħsieb għalhekk nemmen li l-awtoritajiet ekleżjastiċi għandhom jimxu b’aktar sensittività u kawtela f’din il-kwistjoni u forsi jerġa’ jkollhom ripensament. L-istess għandu jingħad għal dak li jikkonċerna l-Gvern. Ma nemminx li l-Gvern għandu jieħu miżuri daqstant drastiċi meta jaf li tali miżuri jistgħu jipprovokaw diżgwid serju.

Fl-istess nifs ikolli ngħid li naqbel mal-Knisja li f’ċerti ċirkostanzi, bil-mod ta’ kif qed jiġu kondotti l-festi tagħna, qed isiru esagerazzjonijiet. Jista’ jkun li min imexxi l-festi għandu wkoll juża l-prudenza u jmexxi b’ċertu galbu biex ma nattirawx l-anitpatija bla bżonn.

L-esaġerazzjonijiet f’kollox huma ħżiena, u fil-festi dawn jistgħu jwasslu biex jittieħdu ċerti miżuri bla bżonn. Madankollu, b’ċerta rieda tajba mill-partijiet interessati kollha, m’għandux ikun hemm problemi biex il-festi sbieħ tagħna jibqgħu jippersistu fl-ambjent u bl-istil li drajna bihom.


09/02/2009 13:34 PM


Kuntent
Re :   Ittra 'Il-Mosta - 400 sena Parrocca'

Ghandek ragun "mwegga"!

http://www.timesofmalta.com/articles/view/20090829/letters/mosta-church-in-dire-need-of-attention


Mosta church in dire need of attention

I come from Mosta and I reside in the UK. I visited Malta this August and since I visited four years ago I was thoroughly impressed by the number of new roads and bypasses that made driving a lot easier and my visit more enjoyable. The island is becoming more populated but the charm it had when I lived there as a young boy has not been lost and the Christian faith still thrives.

I visited my home town of Mosta and the greatest monument built by my forefathers in honour of the ascension of the Holy Mother to heaven and I was rather disappointed to see the state in which it is being left to deteriorate. I went inside and part of the dome ceiling is flaking through water seepage when it rains and some of the other walls are in dire need of redecorating.

The outside churchyard walls are crumbling and in need of replacing. The statues on the same churchyard need good cleaning as they are almost black and deteriorating with acid rain.

I was there on the feast of St Mary on August 15 and when the statue came out during the procession all the crowd were clapping. I felt a sense of joy and pride that I was born in such a wonderful place. The feast was a real celebration of our beliefs and all of us enjoyed the singing and bands that played during the procession.

I love my home town and am proud of this monument and what it stands for. I therefore urge those in charge to spend money to keep Mosta church in good shape for future generations.



08/29/2009 06:28 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

Nota zghira rigward blog iehor (li jidher inattiv): http://pro-tridentina.blogspot.com/

Dan il-blog m'ghandux x'jaqsam mal-moviment Pro Tridentina (Malta) minkejja li jismu hekk.

Godwin


08/26/2009 07:42 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

Bil-ghan li zzomm lil kull min hu interessat fir-Rit Tridentin, twaqqaf blog:

http://pro-tridentina-malta.blogspot.com/

Godwin


08/25/2009 10:41 AM


Kuntent
Re :   Reply To Pro%5FTridentina

Ghaziz Angelo,

Int ghidt:


Reply to Pro_Tridentina (08/17/2009 01:34 AM)

Let us not become the Christian version of Iran! Iran under the Shah had all the modern commodities of western life and indeed had a western culture. It was the ascension to power of the Ayatollah Khomeini that Iran reverted back to the strictly Muslim society it is today. Let us not be the Church which opened up in the 60's and went back in the 2000's.

The days of the Tridentine Mass are over; it is a tradition best kept in the history books and nowhere else! Its an element which would only serve to weaken the Catholic community and not strenghten.

 
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Min iqabbel il-Quddiesa Tridentina mal-Iran ma jafx x'inhu x'jghid!! Jigifieri, skond int, il-qaddisin kollha - inkluz San Gorg Preca - huma mmuffatti ghax kienu jmorru quddiesa bil-Latin? Iftah ghajnejk siehbi.

Kuntent


08/17/2009 07:03 AM


mwegga
Re :   Ittra 'Il-Mosta - 400 sena Parrocca'

 is- sabiha ta dan l-arcipriet huwa li ma jrid impenn  u responsabilita ta xejn. Bizzejjed thares lejn l-oratorju kif spicca. jigi jaqa u jqum miz-zaghzagh. Imbghad bl-ikbar ipokresija ifahhar lil Dun Ang minn fuq il-pupltu fil-funeral tieghu, ghax xoghol kbir li Dun Ang ghamel maz-zaghzagh. lanqas jaf jisthi mill-Mostin u mil-qraba ta Dun Ang meta kisser l-Oratorju
Mario (iehor)


08/17/2009 06:05 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Bil-Latin jew bil-Malti?

Sfortunatament, hawn min ma jaf xejn fuq il-Latin u l-Quddiesa Tridentina:

http://angelomicallef.blogspot.com/2009/08/habemus-papam.html


Habemus Papam!!!

I recently came across an interesting website with an argument I knew had followers but I never knew had followers so keen on it. The website is http://www.protridentina.org/. The group's stated aim as per the website is that of promoting the Tridentine mass or rather the return of the Tridentine mass in Malta and Gozo as per Papal policy.

For those who perhaps might now know what the Tridentine mass is; this is basically the mass that used to be celebrated prior to the Second Vatican Council meaning a mass in Latin with the priest giving the people his back as can be seen from the picture with this blog and with certain different prayers including a prayer during the time of Lent praying for the conversion of Jews, something deemed most offensive by the Jewish community and rightfully so.

Obviously its a free world and those who believe that the Tridentine Mass should return are free to argue so and that much I have no qualms about; more so when some within that category happen to be friends of mine. It is however in my view an outdated, andequated argument which clearly fails to understand modern times.

The church cannot fossilize itself; indeed the Roman Catholic Church is already plagued by a mentality of fossilization and a lack of catching up with the times. To revert to Latin is merely to increase the severity of the situation. Mass should be a spiritual expience where one feels closer to God and not merely a trip down traditions lane. One can only feel close to God if one is understand what is being said!

Imagine if someone read out the works of Shakespeare in Chinese; would you appreciate the beauty of Shakespeare's stories? Most certainly not!

Some might argue that Pope Benedict XVI merely made it possible for the Tridentine Mass to be held and by no means turned it into obligatory. All too true, but it is nonetheless a regression; a regression which certainly caused Pope John XXIII to turn in his grave!!

Let us not become the Christian version of Iran! Iran under the Shah had all the modern commodities of western life and indeed had a western culture. It was the ascension to power of the Ayatollah Khomeini that Iran reverted back to the strictly Muslim society it is today. Let us not be the Church which opened up in the 60's and went back in the 2000's.

The days of the Tridentine Mass are over; it is a tradition best kept in the history books and nowhere else! Its an element which would only serve to weaken the Catholic community and not strenghten.

The way to strenghten the faith is by living the faith and believing the faith and not by turning the faith into a mere living museum of traditions!
 
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08/17/2009 01:34 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

THE INTERNATIONAL UNA VOCE FEDERATION
A Brief History.

In 1964, Dr. Borghild Krane, an eminent psychologist in Norway, sent out an appeal to concerned Catholics to group together in defence of the Church's liturgical heritage.

As a result of that appeal a number of national associations came into being in 1964/65. Delegates from six European associations met in Rome early in 1965 and the International Federation was formally erected in Zurich on January 8th, 1967 when delegates from 20 associations approved the draft statutes and elected the first Council.

The International Una Voce Federation is a lay movement, and its principal aims are to ensure that the Missale Romanum of Pope John XXIII (1962 edition) is maintained in the Church as one of the forms of liturgical celebration, and to safeguard and promote the use of Latin, Gregorian chant and sacred polyphony. A General Assembly is convened every two years in Rome and elections are held for the Council and Presidency. The current President is Mr Leo Darroch from the Latin Mass Society. The Federation is recognized by the Holy See, its views are received with courtesy and respect by the relevant Roman Congregations, and its representatives are received by them in the same manner. Over the years it has made successful interventions with Rome on numerous occasions to safeguard the traditional Mass and ancient liturgical practice. Its first President, Dr. Eric de Saventhem was instrumental in convincing Pope John Paul II in 1986 to convoke a special Commission of Cardinals to investigate the situation concerning the celebration of the traditional Mass.

The Federation is not an organization run from above by a central committee. Each national association is an autonomous body that is encouraged to do all that it can to achieve the objectives of the Federation at the local level but the International Federation is better placed to represent the common concerns of traditional Catholics world-wide at the highest level of Church government. Negotiations with Rome tend to be carried out behind the scenes and are not normally made public.

http://www.ifuv.org

Pro Tridentina (Malta) hija membru tal-Federazzjoni Internazzjonali Una Voce.



08/12/2009 04:53 AM


Eleonora
Re :   Taqbel li f'Malta tkun iċċelebrata il-Quddiesa bil-Forma Straordinarja (ċioe' Tridentina)?

Hi there!

I am Italian, but I have a Maltese boyfriend and I understand basic Maltese. I voted this way as I like your culture but I do not think that Latin should be used a lot as people do not understand it anymore.

xxx

Ele


08/11/2009 01:38 AM


Catania
Re :   Artiklu Interessanti ta' Mario Fenech dwar il-festi u l-opri ta' Gewwa l-knisja.

Artiklu tassew interessanti. Nawgura l-festa t-tajba lil kulhadd, l-aktar lil ta' San Lawrenz u Santa Marija.



08/09/2009 08:17 AM


Kuntent
Re :   Reminder 1: LAQGHA

Iva, x'gie diskuss f'din l-imbierka laqgha???

Qiskom top secret madoff!



08/09/2009 04:34 AM


Kuntent
Re :   Reply To Guest

Reply to is_Aimoo_Guest (09/26/2008 08:28 AM)

Infakkarkom fil-Laqgha li ser issir nhar il-Hadd 28 ta' Settembru 2008 fuq iz-zuntier tal-Katidral ta' San Gwann il-Belt Valletta, wara l-quddiesa tad-9:15am dwar il-harsien u l-qawmien ta' festi interni u dwar il-liturgija.

TONQSUX U NARAWKOM.

Jien ninsab interessat dwar dak kollu li ghandu x'jaqsam ma' dawn l-affarijiet. Meta se ssir laqgha ohra? Grazzi!


08/09/2009 03:54 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Bil-Latin jew bil-Malti?

X'qalu l-Papiet minn żmien il-Konċilju Vatikan II dwar il-Latin: 

The Catholic Church has a dignity far surpassing that of any merely human society. For it was founded by Christ the Lord. It is altogether fitting, therefore,that the language it uses should be noble, majestic, and non-vernacular. (Pope John XXIII, Veterum Sapientiae, 1962)

Pope John Paul II has recommended the use of Latin in the Roman liturgy and in seminary training. In a message to a conference being held at the Salesian University in Rome, the Holy Father emphasized that Latin remains the official language of the Catholic Church, and expressed his desire that 'the love of that language would grow ever strong among candidates for the priesthood.' The Pope's message itself was written in Latin, and read by Cardinal Angelo Sodano, the Vatican Secretary of State. The conference to which the Pope addressed this message was commemorating the 40th anniversary of Veterum Sapientia, the apostolic constitution in which Pope John XXIII wrote of the importance of Latin as an important part of 'the patrimony of human civilization.' Pope John Paul underlined the same message, pointing out that the use of Latin 'is an indispensable condition for a proper relationship between modernity and antiquity, for dialogue among different cultures, and for reaffirming the identity of the Catholic priesthood.' (CWNews, 2002)

In order to express more clearly the unity and universality of the Church, I wish to endorse the proposal made by the Synod of Bishops, in harmony with the directives of the Second Vatican Council
, that, with the exception of the readings, the homily and the prayer of the faithful, it is fitting that such liturgies be celebrated in Latin. Similarly, the better-known prayers of the Church's tradition should be recited in Latin and, if possible, selections of Gregorian chant should be sung. Speaking more generally, I ask that future priests, from their time in the seminary, receive the preparation needed to understand and to celebrate Mass in Latin, and also to use Latin texts and execute Gregorian chant; nor should we forget that the faithful can be taught to recite the more common prayers in Latin, and also to sing parts of the liturgy to Gregorian chant. (Pope Benedict XVI, Sacramentum Caritatis, 2007)

 
Godwin


 


08/08/2009 03:55 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

Għall-benefiċċju ta' kulħadd, fis-sit ta' Pro Tridentina (Malta) qed nipprovdu l-ittra appostolika Summorum Pontificum mogħtija motu proprio mill-Papa Benedittu XVI, flimkien ma’ l-ittra mibgħuta minnu wkoll lill-Isqfijiet madwar id-dinja sabiex jispjega aħjar ir-raġunijiet wara l-istess Summorum Pontificum.

Iż-żewġ dokumenti ġew maqluba għall-Malti minn wieħed mill-membri tagħna.

Godwin



08/07/2009 00:41 AM


Pro_Triden
Re :   Pro Tridentina (Malta)

Is-soċjetà Pro Tridentina (Malta) hija soċjetà li essenzjalment tixtieq tara ċ-ċelebrazzjoni tal-Quddiesa bir-Rit Tridentin fl-arċidjoċesi ta’ Malta u fid-djoċesi t’Għawdex. Dan ifisser li l-Quddies tiġi iċċelebrata skond l’hekk imsejjħa forma straordinarja tal-Quddies kif inkiteb mill-Papa Benedittu XVI fil-motu proprio Summorum Pontificum.

L-istatut tagħna fil-fatt jistqarr:


TITOLU II – NATURA U SKOP

5. Il-moviment jikseb l-ispirazzjoni kollha tiegħu minn rabta mar-Religjon Kattolika, Appostolika, u Rumana, f’kommunjoni sħiħa mal-Papa u ma’ l-awtoritajiet ekkleżjastiċi tal-gżejjer Maltin, filwaqt li l-patruni prinċipali tas-soċjetà huma San Carlo Borromeo u San Filippo Neri.

6. L-iskop ewlieni tal-moviment huwa il-promozzjoni tar-Rit Tridentin, u speċjalment iċ-ċelebrazzjoni tal-Quddiesa Tridentina, kif sanċit fl-Ittra Appostolika Summorum Pontificum (2007AD) mogħtija motu proprio mil-Q.T. Papa Benedittu XVI, u dan għal għarfien aħjar tas-sagralità profonda, ir-rikkezza liturġika, u t-tradizzjonijiet kbar ekkleżjali u kulturali li jikkaraterizzaw l-imsemmi Rit Tridentin.



08/03/2009 00:45 AM

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