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(Date Posted:08/24/2008 10:38 AM)

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Daloghdu attendejt ghall-quddiesa prepozitali fil-Bazilika ta' Sant'Elena.  Ma tantx hemm wiehed x'jikkritika apparti l-istunar esegerat tal-Prepostu Arcipriet waqt il-kant tal-kredu.  Niskanta kif ma jqabbadx sacerdot iehor ikanta.

Haga ohra li dejqitni n-numru ta' lajci (xi 3) iduru bis-suttana u r-rukkett fuq l-artal jippretenduwa ta' cerominiera.  Wiehed minnhom sahansitra kien liebes ir-ruzetta u iehor zamm il-berittin f'idejh.  Possibli ma jafux li dawn ilbies tal-qassisin?  Possibli ma jkellimhom hadd? Jew dawn xi tip ta' privileggi godda Elenjani?

Imbghad biex ma nsemmux id-dekor fuq l-artal.  Ghal hin twil is-Sur John Zammit (wiehed mic-ceromniera) beda jserrah idejh fuq l-ixkaffa (fuq il-warrani  biex niftehmu - tisghu taraw ir-ritratt).  Dak dekor? Nahseb li ghandna nhallu l-hobz ghal min jaf jieklu!


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(Date Posted:08/24/2008 18:23 PM)

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Daloghdu attendejt ghall-quddiesa prepozitali fil-Bazilika ta' Sant'Elena.  Ma tantx hemm wiehed x'jikkritika apparti l-istunar esegerat tal-Prepostu Arcipriet waqt il-kant tal-kredu.  Niskanta kif ma jqabbadx sacerdot iehor ikanta.

Haga ohra li dejqitni n-numru ta' lajci (xi 3) iduru bis-suttana u r-rukkett fuq l-artal jippretenduwa ta' cerominiera.  Wiehed minnhom sahansitra kien liebes ir-ruzetta u iehor zamm il-berittin f'idejh.  Possibli ma jafux li dawn ilbies tal-qassisin?  Possibli ma jkellimhom hadd? Jew dawn xi tip ta' privileggi godda Elenjani?

Imbghad biex ma nsemmux id-dekor fuq l-artal.  Ghal hin twil is-Sur John Zammit (wiehed mic-ceromniera) beda jserrah idejh fuq l-ixkaffa (fuq il-warrani  biex niftehmu - tisghu taraw ir-ritratt).  Dak dekor? Nahseb li ghandna nhallu l-hobz ghal min jaf jieklu!


Ifimni sfortunatament ir-ritratt muwix car, izda l-punt hadnih.  Jien minix Karkariz u lanqas naf xgara ezatt.  Ma nafx kif jista jkun li lajk jilbes suttana, rukkett, ruzzetta u berettin!  Pero jien se nsaqsi haga, ax naf li bhalisa fMa;ta addej rih ta bidla min-naha ta dawk tal-Furjana ta quddim id-depot bix certu lbis li jintlibes fil-purcisjonijit ma jibqax jintlibes ax em xi nis ajjura (u ifmuni!!!) li qed ixewxu bix certu lbis la ma jilbsuhx uma, ma jilbsu hadd.  Ma nistax nifem jin. Alura jek dawn iridu li jilbsuh uma biss allura kif hadd ma tara minnom fil-purcissjonijit lebsin dak l-abitu? Tejdulix li issa wasalna fpunt fejn nedju la ma nilbsuhx ahna mela lanqas haddihor ma jilbsu.  Tejdulix li isa anke al lajci se naqbdu nejru!  Jek veru ma jridux il-lajci jilbsu certu lbies fil-purcisjoijiet, mela fejn uma l-qassisin li suppost jilbsuwom?  Mela isa kulhadd jamel lijrid qied!? Min jilbes, min ma jilbisx, rajt festa fuq it-tv fejn qassisin hargu bl-alba biss.  U le! U ejja! Fejn qeda s-serjeta`? Bir-rispett kollu ta, ara ma morux niftemu hazin, il-qassisin uma nies twajba il-maggoranza tahhom, qed nejdu bis li certu detalji ma jistawx jigu eliminati bl-iskuza ta' l-ispirtwalita !!!! Hem postijit fejn in-nis tilbes uniformi, u l-knisja anda l-kodcici tahha.  Filwaqt li haddima jilbsu uniformi minhabba ragunijiet ta xol, il-kleru andu alxix ikun kburi ax ilbisu jintlibes al fini spiritwali u anke u importanti li nejdu ax ma fija xejn assolutmaent hazin, al fini estetici, ax is-sbuhija em dejem Alla fiha. Tajeb mela li nhalu t-treadizjonijit jibqaw isiru u qied jiftah halqu ahjar jamel hu l-1 pass il quddim u jigi u jilbes dak li andu jilbes fil-purcisjoni. Mux kulhadd dan l-ahar snin, tlifna l-boxla ta' kollox u kulhadd jamel li jrid.
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RE:Cerimoniera Lajci?
(Date Posted:08/29/2008 02:33 AM)

U dan x jigifieri hemm 3 ceremonjiera lajci meta hemm tant sacerdoti u 3 seminaristi minn din il Parrocca?
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RE:Cerimoniera Lajci?
(Date Posted:08/29/2008 04:51 AM)

Ghax il-Karkarizi hekk hi.  Dawk liturgija specjali ghalihom - Privileggi Elenjani jghidulhom !!
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RE:Cerimoniera Lajci?
(Date Posted:09/02/2008 01:48 AM)

Filwaqt li huwa minnu li idealment cerimonier ikun sacerdot, jew djaknu, jew seminarista, ta' min ninnutaw x'inhu r-rwol tac-cerimonier? Li jhejji u jara li r-ritwal liturgiku jimxi kif suppost.

F'dan is-sens dan ir-rwol jista' jaqdieh kull bniedem la darba mhux qed ikollu sehem dirett fil-konsagrazzjoni.

Waqt li nerga ntenni li idealment ic-cerimoniera jkunu sacerdoti stess (insemmi hawn fost l-ohrajn lil Mons. Dun Norbert Bonavia, Cerimonier ta' l-Arciqsof Metropolita Mons. Pawl Cremona OP), f'assenza ta' sacerdot nahseb li dan ir-rwol jista' jigi moqdi minn lajci.

Fuq kollox ilkoll kemm ahna mdorrijin bl-assistenti zghar fir-ritwal, l-abbatini, li anke l-isem taljan/antik taghhom juri dan kollu: il-Piccolo Clero.
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RE:Cerimoniera Lajci?
(Date Posted:09/02/2008 03:44 AM)

Ghandek punt li vera c-cerimonier jista jkun lajk.  Imma m'hux mis-sebgha niehdu l'id u nilbsu r-ruzetta!  Dik le.  Kien hemm lajk iehor jigri bil-berettin f'idejh.  Lanqas dan m'hu sew.  Imbghad skond l-evidenza tar-ritratt lanqas il-manjieri fuq l-artal ma kienu koretti.  Possibli li f'parrocca b'tant qassisin u 3 seminaristi m'hemm hadd li joqghod cerimonier.  Zgur li jkun jixraq aktar.  Jew forsi dan xi privilegg ta' din il-persuna li ma trid ccedi u twarrab?

Tajjeb niftakru ukoll, li meta dan ic-cermonier partikulari kellu incident (sfortunatment) u ghalhekk ghal-granet tal-festa kien jinsab b'saqajh fil-gibs ic-cerimonji liturgici fil-Bazilika Elenjana xorta wahda saru kif suppost ghax kif jghidu the show must go on.  Mela wahedha tigi l-mistoqsija Mela kemm hu verament indispensabbli s-servizz ta dan ic-cerimonier lajk?  
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RE:Cerimoniera Lajci?
(Date Posted:09/02/2008 08:04 AM)

Tnejn bir-ruzetta u wiehed bil-berettin. Li jkun hemm cerimonjier u assistent cerimonjier lajk kollox sewwa. Imma wiehed minnhom kien qisu papra xiha fuq l-artal. Dan x'zuffjett hu? U ghaliec cerimonier minnhom ma kienx mal-purcissjoni izda meta din waslet fejn l-ghassa tfacca min xi dar u mar trekken quddiem il-prepostu. Jew cerimonier jew le, mhux nofs lehja. Ghalhekk importanti li naghmlu xi haga, ma jistax ikun li l-liturgija taqa` f'idejn dawn it-talin. Dan abbuz ikreh daqs abbuzi post moderni ohrajn. Il-hazin ma tistax tghattih bir-ruzetti, berettini u bizzillel.
Mir-ritratt jidher li l-quddiesa waslet fil-kanone. Ghaliex ic-cerimonjier mhux qieghed gharkopptejh?
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